Curse

X Cytherea X · May 09, 2007, 01:49 AM // 01:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ill Reap Your Blood

a build that i personally run for pvp that is quite successful is as followed...

Golden Lotus Strike
Leaping Mantis Strike
Fox Fangs
Blades of Steel
Balanced Stance
Healing Signet
Shroud of Distress
Death's charge

I cast SoD and then Death's Charge then Balanced Stance and begin to click in order through the skills until Blades of Steel. Use Healing Signet when needed. Balanced stance is so that you arent knocked down which can easily lead to the death of a sin. Balanced Stance is Particularly helpful in 1v1 against sins who use ox horns and knockdown skills.

Attributes are:
Dagger Mastery -- 15 or 16
Tactics -- Get it to as high as possible
Shadow Mastery -- Use as many points as you chose

lousy damage

on topic:
[skill]expose defenses[/skill][skill]black lotus strike[/skill][skill]twisting fangs[/skill][skill]moebius strike[/skill][skill]death blossom[/skill] or [skill]horns of the ox[/skill]

[skill]siphon speed[/skill][skill]black lotus strike[/skill][skill]twisting fangs[/skill][skill]black spider strike[/skill][skill]shattering assault[/skill]

[skill]dash[/skill][skill]golden lotus strike[/skill][skill]temple strike[/skill][skill]twisting fangs[/skill][skill]leaping mantis sting[/skill]

aaand my last 3 skills are ALWAYS [skill]holy veil[/skill][skill]mending touch[/skill][skill]resurrection signet[/skill]

attributes are always 16dagger, 13critical and 4deadly or 3prot
vampiric and lightning daggers are all i need
a mix of health and energy armor... currently 505h 29e

Laenavesse · May 09, 2007, 05:40 AM // 05:40

in AB at least, my usual

[skill]Siphon Speed[/skill][skill]Expose Defenses[/skill][skill]Black Spider Strike[/skill][skill]Twisting Fangs[/skill][skill]Moebius Strike[/skill][skill]Critical Strike[/skill][skill]Critical Defenses[/skill][skill]Shadow Refuge[/skill]

for PvE:

[skill]Jagged Strike[/skill][skill]Temple Strike[/skill][skill]Wild Strike[/skill][skill]Death Blossom[/skill]

[skill]Jagged Strike[/skill][skill]Wild Strike[/skill][skill]Death Blossom[/skill][skill]Moebius Strike[/skill][skill]Critical Strike[/skill]

[skill]Parasitic Bond[/skill][skill]Black Spider Strike[/skill][skill]Twisting Fangs[/skill][skill]Moebius Strike[/skill][skill]Death Blossom[/skill]

Last couple of slots could be any one of the following: [skill]Expose Defenses[/skill][skill]Critical Eye[/skill][skill]Critical Defenses[/skill][skill]Critical Strike[/skill][skill]Black Lotus Strike[/skill][skill]Shadow Refuge[/skill][skill]Mending Touch[/skill][skill]Rebirth[/skill]

lots of flexibility. I bring Mending Touch if Blind is a big problem, and usually I have Shadows Refuge and Critical Eye. Sometimes I bring Rebirth or some type of res, depends on how I feel >_> The alternate attacks of course depend on the build

*is boring, but gets the job done* xD

Anti-Theory · May 09, 2007, 08:19 PM // 20:19

I really like playing Assassin in Elona, theres just too much spiking damage in Canthan missions.

I know better variants of this have been posted already, but the build my 'sin is using now is:

[skill]Palm Strike[/skill][skill]Horns of the Ox[/skill][skill]Falling Spider[/skill][skill]Iron Palm[/skill][skill]Entangling Asp[/skill][skill]Signet of Toxic Shock[/skill][skill]Shadow Refuge[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

The problem with 90% of all the other "PvE" assassin builds out there is they all use Moebius Strike... Yet it's an elite that you must cap way down past the Vasburg armory. Good luck finding a group that wants an Assassin in Nahpui Quarter or Tahnnakai Temple if you don't have a build that can survive without Moebius Strike. Palm Strike is a fairly easy skill to cap (aside from killing Kenshi...he's a tough bastard.) so that's why I use it instead.

The deadly arts are really under appreciated IMO.

vncanadian · May 09, 2007, 10:58 PM // 22:58

how do u guys get that skill icon thing? its pretty cool 8]

Kuroi Tenshi · May 10, 2007, 12:44 AM // 00:44

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Aura_of_displacement http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Expose_Defenses http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Black_Lotus_Strike http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Twisting_Fangs http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Black_Spider_Strike http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Blades_of_Steel http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Contemplation_of_Purity

i use this one for arenas

[skill]OwBk0pe5HNuzCE3twQYdvD2BEjD

and this one for pve

they work pretty well for me, but im looking forward some constructive critics ^^

Vahn Roi · May 10, 2007, 01:33 AM // 01:33

...[skill]tags save lives, Kuroi.

I don't see enough Flashing Blades love. It's been my elite since I capped it and I've beaten both Factions and Nightfall.

Your build interests me, Anti-Theory, how do you use it exactly?

Yanman.be · May 10, 2007, 05:31 AM // 05:31

Anti-Theory's build needs too much energy.

Samurai-JM · May 10, 2007, 08:42 PM // 20:42

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

Anti-Theory's build needs too much energy.

That, and it's overpowered. You can use a similar build(I believe I posted earlier) with black spider strike, horn's of the ox, signet of toxic shock, impale, for more then enough to kill a target while not relying on nearly as much energy.

phool · May 11, 2007, 05:30 PM // 17:30

Main 4v4 variant of Moebius sin

[skill]Siphon Speed[/skill] [skill]Black Lotus Strike[/skill] [skill]Death Blossom[/skill] [skill]Moebius Strike[/skill] [skill]Horns of the Ox[/skill] [skill]Flurry[/skill] [skill]Critical Defenses[/skill] [skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

Example GvG variant.

[skill]Leaping Mantis Sting[/skill] [skill]Exhausting Assault[/skill] [skill]Moebius Strike[/skill] [skill]Death Blossom[/skill] [skill]"Fear Me!"[/skill] [skill]"Watch yourself!"[/skill] [skill]Flurry[/skill] [skill]Dash[/skill]

One relatively resilient pve variant of above, Moebius-blossom fails with the energy management from crit strike or eye in end game.

[skill]Golden Phoenix Strike[/skill] [skill]Critical Strike[/skill] [skill]Moebius Strike[/skill] [skill]Death Blossom[/skill] [skill]Conviction[/skill] [skill]Mystic Regeneration[/skill] [skill]Critical Defenses[/skill] [skill]Vital Boon[/skill]

I really prefer to play Moebius in pve as an r-a, particularly as enemy levels starts to rise.

[skill]Jagged Strike[/skill] [skill]Wild Strike[/skill] [skill]Death Blossom[/skill] [skill]Moebius Strike[/skill] [skill]Tiger's Fury[/skill] [skill]Lightning Reflexes[/skill] [skill]Throw Dirt[/skill] [skill]Apply Poison[/skill]

Generally this my preferred variant of everyone's favourite shadow prison build

[skill]Shadow Prison[/skill] [skill]Tiger Stance[/skill] [skill]Black Lotus Strike[/skill] [skill]Horns of the Ox[/skill] [skill]Black Spider Strike[/skill] [skill]Blades of Steel[/skill] [skill]Impale[/skill] [skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

The Pve AP equivalent. This represents the top of the scale in terms of spike damage, short of beginning with unsuspecting strike.

[skill]Assassin's Promise[/skill] [skill]Lightning Reflexes[/skill] [skill]Black Lotus Strike[/skill] [skill]Death Blossom[/skill] [skill]Black Spider Strike[/skill] [skill]Blades of Steel[/skill] [skill]Impale[/skill] [skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

Have been meaning to run 4 of these in TA for a while.

[skill]Dancing Daggers[/skill] [skill]Entangling Asp[/skill] [skill]Augury of Death[/skill] [skill]Signet of Toxic Shock[/skill] [skill]Deadly Paradox[/skill] [skill]Feigned Neutrality[/skill] [skill]Heart of Shadow[/skill] [skill]Shadow Form[/skill]

Perma SF tank for organised pve. Use with a renewal nuker.

[skill]Golden Lotus Strike[/skill] [skill]Wild Strike[/skill] [skill]Death Blossom[/skill] [skill]Black Lotus Strike[/skill] [skill]Deadly Paradox[/skill] [skill]Arcane Mimicry[/skill] [skill]Arcane Echo[/skill] [skill]Shadow Form[/skill]

RA build, slot 7 optional (shroud+spell is hardly ideal).

[skill]Siphon Speed[/skill] [skill]Shroud of Silence[/skill] [skill]Black Lotus Strike[/skill] [skill]Twisting Fangs[/skill] [skill]Black Spider Strike[/skill] [skill]Blades of Steel[/skill] [skill]Restful Breeze[/skill] [skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

A couple of attempts to use less common elites.

[skill]Beguiling Haze[/skill] [skill]Tiger Stance[/skill] [skill]Golden Phoenix Strike[/skill] [skill]Horns of the Ox[/skill] [skill]Falling Spider[/skill] [skill]Twisting Fangs[/skill] [skill]Way of the Lotus[/skill] [skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

[skill]Shadowy Burden[/skill] [skill]Black Lotus Strike[/skill] [skill]Shattering Assault[/skill] [skill]Black Spider Strike[/skill] [skill]Blades of Steel[/skill] [skill]Way of the Lotus[/skill] [skill]Critical Defenses[/skill] [skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

Yanman.be · May 11, 2007, 09:19 PM // 21:19

Lol@ Gvg variant without heals or res sig.

phool · May 11, 2007, 10:34 PM // 22:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yanman.be

Lol@ Gvg variant without heals or res sig.

That would be Pal's variant. Not having a self heal is common in gvg, as is not having a res sig.

Yanman.be · May 12, 2007, 09:14 AM // 09:14

I'm sorry but...I haven't been playing for 2 months, but surely...that GvG variant can't do anything...

If you're not splitting, you need a res sig, and if you're splitting, you need a heal...

Stranger The Ranger · May 12, 2007, 11:30 AM // 11:30

Some of my favorite builds:

Interrupt Assassin(RA/TA/GvG/AB):
[skill]Disrupting Stab[/skill][skill]Exhausting Assault[/skill][skill]Moebius Strike[/skill][skill]Horns of the Ox[/skill][skill]Feigned Neutrality[/skill][skill]Shadow Walk[/skill][skill]Dash[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

Hidden Shadow(AB/FA):
[skill]Hidden Caltrops[/skill][skill]Black Spider Strike[/skill][skill]Death Blossom[/skill][skill]Impale[/skill][skill]Signet of Toxic Shock[/skill][skill]Feigned Neutrality[/skill][skill]Shadow Walk[/skill][skill]Dash[/skill]

Palm in your Face(RA/TA/AB/FA/GvG):
[skill]Palm Strike[/skill][skill]Horns of the Ox[/skill][skill]Falling Spider[/skill][skill]Twisting Fangs[/skill][skill]Feigned Neutrality[/skill][skill]Shadow Walk[/skill][skill]Dash[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

Shocking Experience(RA/TA/FA/AB):
[skill]Shock[/skill][skill]Falling Spider[/skill][skill]Shattering Assault[/skill][skill]Impale[/skill][skill]Signet of Toxic Shock[/skill][skill]Feigned Neutrality[/skill][skill]Dash[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

Way of the flying intestines(RA/TA/AB/FA/GvG):
[skill]Shadowy Burden[/skill][skill]Black Lotus Strike[/skill][skill]Death Blossom[/skill][skill]Black Spider Strike[/skill][skill]Impale[/skill][skill]Feigned Neutrality[/skill][skill]Aura of Displacement[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

Yes, I'm a big fan of the Shadow Walk/Dash combo =)

insidious420 · May 12, 2007, 07:53 PM // 19:53

I used to use Temple Strike very often before SP/BoA, but it fell out of use for me since then. I love Temple Strike because it is versatile in use against casters and meleers, so I decided to mess around with it again the other day, and here is what I came up with:

[skill]Expose Defenses[/skill] [skill]Shadow Walk[/skill] [skill]Black Mantis Thrust[/skill] [skill]Temple Strike[/skill] [skill]Twisting Fangs[/skill] [skill]Natural Healing[/skill] [skill]Dash[/skill] [skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

Dagger Mastery: 15 (11+1+3)
Critical Strikes: 13 (11+2)
Deadly Arts: 6 (5+1)
Wind Prayers: 7

Equipment:
Full Shrouded/Radiant armor; 1 Attunement rune; Superior Vigor; Zealous, +5 Energy, +30 Health daggers.
This gives a total of 40 energy, which is capable of unleashing the full combo without pause, spamming BMT for damage and cripple, and having leftover energy to use Natural Healing and Dash. 35 energy can handle the bar as well, but most of the time you will need at least a few swipes to get energy before using Twisting Fangs.

Usage:
Playing the class properly is most important and something that mainly can only be learned through experience. If you don't know who to target, and when, then you will suck no matter what. That said, I'll just explain why I like this so much.

Expose Defenses opens up your target, Shadow Walk takes you right to them, and BMT cripples a hexed target, providing you with a snare to land TS, TF, BMT again, and continue with normal attacks to interrupt and kill the target. Without a speed buff (because of Shadow Walk), BMT is a very important skill. Even if ED gets stripped, BMT can still be used to start the combo, sans cripple. Natural Healing is the strongest immediate-heal skill for the attribute point investment, and doesn't conflict with Shadow Walk. So, after the first combo, you can heal and have time to re-hex somebody and start the combo over again.

Since Temple Strike is focused more on disabling than killing, this build is really at its best when you have at least one other halfway competent team member. Playing in RA, this is a gamble, but fun as hell. I won my first 20-win RA/TA streak, and many easy gladiator points so far, with this build.

phool · May 13, 2007, 08:22 AM // 08:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yanman.be

I'm sorry but...I haven't been playing for 2 months, but surely...that GvG variant can't do anything...

If you're not splitting, you need a res sig, and if you're splitting, you need a heal...

Like I said, it's one variant. Talking about a specific build without the context of the gvg build doesn't make much sense. I think the context of this variant is 2 paragons (signet of return) in addition to 2 res sigs. Here it was clearly decided that the assassin would benefit from the freed up skill slot more than an alternative player.

Fairly common example of a gvg build with no res/self heal, shadow prison builds who are expected to take out solo gankers will also have no self heal or res, expose is needed instead. Often they will be supported by the flagrunner who will have the necessary heals.

Yanman.be · May 13, 2007, 09:32 AM // 09:32

True about the shadow prisoners, but clearly this build can't do that.
Oh well...personal preference&a lot of trust in your monks I guess..

phool · May 13, 2007, 03:22 PM // 15:22

It's not a matter of trust trust. If you're being spiked, you don't hit healing signet. You switch to your 15/-5 furious +30 health spear and +30 health shield set. Often you will be able to use dash to save yourself. Basically, dash does more for your survival than healing signet, feigned neutrality or shadow refuge, you're making things easier for your monks than otherwise. And yeah personal preference has nothing to do with it, it's one facet of a team build.